Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution, and are school meals really that bad?

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luce's picture
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Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution, and are school meals really that bad?

The British chef Jamie Oliver did a reality TV series in the UK exposing the terrible quality of school meals. His show initiated a government programme to reform school meals.

Looks like he's doing the same thing in the US.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLgmk323H6k

ABC has announced that Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution, a new reality series produced by American Idol host Ryan Seacrest and starring the British chef as he provides a healthy makeover to the entire city of Huntington, WV, will premiere on Friday, March 26 at 9PM ET/PT.

Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution will follow Oliver as he travels to Huntington -- which was labeled "the unhealthiest city in America" by The Associated Press in 2008 -- to start a new initiative that utilizes local resources to improve eating habits.

When I watched the promo video, my first reaction was "why couldn't they get someone American to do the show?". Seems wrong to have someone from abroad come in and try and change things. Is this something you'd resent, if it happened in your town?

Also I was wondering, how bad are school meals for your kids? How much control do the parents have over what get's served at school?

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Re: Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution, and are school meals really that bad?

Nothing... and you can't really tell them what you want your kids should get.. I tried to make it so my kids can't get certain foods and they can't do that. So I welcome this guy trying to reform our school meals.

Wonder how many people I would've killed by now, if I had telekinetic powers?

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Re: Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution, and are school meals really that bad?

While I don't have children in the public schools anymore, I know from my personal reading that most of the food served in American schools is atrocious! High in fat, sugars, junk. They have, in many districts allowed McDonald's and Pizza Hut serve food within school cafeterias, for God's sake!

I do not have the source readily at hand, but I read of a research project in England which studied the effects of diet on kids and delinquency. They found that when the crap food was eliminated, replaced with whole and organically grown fruits and vegetables, incidents of aggression, truancy, even learning disabilities decreased dramatically!

Take a look at the obesity epidemic among children. Where do you think the calories come from?

Finally, bashing the carrier of a message just because he is not American, seems to me to indicate that you are really not interested in the truth...

luce's picture
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Re: Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution, and are school meals really that bad?

I'm not bashing Jamie Oliver. I'm bashing the producers. Because using Jamie Oliver just gives the critics an easy way to dismiss the whole thing outright with the excuse of patriotism. If you watch the video you'll see what I mean.

Using someone local would give out a stronger message, that's all.

If what you say about Pizza Hut and McDonalds in schools is true, that's just horrific.

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Re: Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution, and are school meals really that bad?

My son starts kindergarten next year and I will probably be sending a lunch for him. It's been a while since I was in school and things may have gotten better but it was pretty bad while I was growing up. Greasy messes. Pizza, pizzaburgers, tator tots... Nothing all that healthy.

I'm a horrible eater, unfortunately, and I've been trying hard to not let my kids inherit that. I know I can lead best by example and am trying to turn my eating habits around. In the mean time, I'm taking advantage of the fact that I still have control over what they eat and they don't get nearly as much junk as I eat.

Michelle

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Re: Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution, and are school meals really that bad?

My daughter went through the school system in La Crosse in the 90's. Was impressed with what they served in elementary school compared to what we ate in the 70's. Daughter was able to select what she wanted to have for lunch, but the line was supervised and they had to have a vegetable, fruit etc...
When she got to high school it changed and they started offering junk food in there "ala cart" option.

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Re: Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution, and are school meals really that bad?

They have that in middle school now.. I can't believe the crap my daughters (6th and 8th grade) ARE EATING.

Wonder how many people I would've killed by now, if I had telekinetic powers?

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Re: Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution, and are school meals really that bad?

Part of it is also the way kids are taught to eat. Yes there are junk options but at least when I went through (graduated in Holmen in 1999) at all levels there were healthy options. Both middle and high school had a salad bar daily as well as "standard" and vegetarian entree's that were fairly healthy. Yes they also had chips, burgers, pizza and other stuff, but the options were there.

Another benefit of school lunch programs is that they can introduce you to foods you may not get at home. I have a nephew who is in 4th grade and is sent with a sack lunch daily because he literally has 13 things he'll eat. Not because of allergies, not because of moral issues, but because he has never been forced to eat something outside his comfort zone of chicken strips and cheese sandwiches. Obviously Zavier is an extreme case, but Americans have some of the narrowest menus on the planet. If we allow some experimentation and open our minds we mind realize that things like sushi, squid, grubs and crickets can be quite tasty (I have eaten all four and enjoy them)

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Re: Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution, and are school meals really that bad?

I have eaten sushi and don't really care for it.. I could eat it if I had to, but I don't prefer to. I LOVE squid rings.. haven't tried actual squid, but I'm assuming it tastes the same way as the tentacles. never ate crubs or crickets, but I have eaten cow tongue as sandwich meat (yummy) and frog legs (yummy), so yeah.. some kids though just won't try things.. my youngest is really good about it.. I taught him from day one that he has to never eat anything he doesn't like, but he has to try it. So if he doesn't like it he's allowed to spit it in my hand or in the garbage.. and he WILL try new foods.. and sometimes repeatedly even if he didn't like it the first time he ate it. My grandson on the other hand won't even try... he rather sits at the table the whole time eating nothing.

Wonder how many people I would've killed by now, if I had telekinetic powers?

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Re: Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution, and are school meals really that bad?

I've always been a picky eater. I have my set foods that I'll eat and rarely will experiment. I've tried forcing myself to give new things a try and it never goes well.

My kids are even worse with the picky. I keep hoping they'll grow out of it but I think I'm going to have to start pushing the issue. I make alternate meals far too often. Sad

Michelle

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Re: Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution, and are school meals really that bad?

My daughter's pretty good so far with the eating. She eats all vegetables, lentils, beans, etc. but then again those are really standard foods here in Greece. Most kids will eat them. Her completely free, public kindergarden has a good menu: meat 2x week, fish once, vegetables every day, lentils once, beans once, fresh fruit and yoghurt every day...

But kids can change at a moment's notice, so I know that tomorrow she could suddenly start refusing everything but spaghetti. I don't know how I'll react if that happens. They say you shouldn't make a big deal out of it, otherwise the kid can start using food for attention, but I can imagine myself being very intolerant.

Michelle, if you're a picky eater yourself, how are you going to push the issue with your kids without them crying double standards?

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Re: Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution, and are school meals really that bad?

@luce: Because they are pickier than I am, way pickier. I can at least bring them up to where I am by not always making separate meals for them. I won't make them eat stuff that I don't because you're right about the double standards but they can at least eat the same thing as the adults.

Michelle

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Re: Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution, and are school meals really that bad?

I've noticed with having the Daycare, that if you consistently serve foods they know and like and foods they haven't tried at every meal, sit down as a family and eat those foods yourself, and they see others eat it and you don't make it an issue, those little guys will try the foods themselves sooner or later, especially if you gently encourage... that said, my grandson on the other hand will not try anything he thinks he doesn't like.. I don't know how my son handles this (maybe that's where the problem is) or if that's just the way HE is, but he's pretty hard to convince to eat when his mind is made up. 2 year olds are picky eaters to begin with and I don't think that changes until they start Kindergarten... but not cooking extra meals for them is a start.. making sure they have the option to spit it out if they don't like it is good too..they're much more likely to experiment that way.

Wonder how many people I would've killed by now, if I had telekinetic powers?

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Re: Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution, and are school meals really that bad?

I try to do a combination of what we're eating and stuff I know they like. So it's not usually completely separate meals. But they just flat out don't eat the parts they don't like (or think they don't like). It's very frustrating. Sad

Michelle

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Re: Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution, and are school meals really that bad?

That is really frustrating.
What kind of stuff don't they like?

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Re: Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution, and are school meals really that bad?

Probably easier to say what they do like. Puzzled

The older eats a few vegetables but that seems to be less as time goes on. He barely touches fruit at all except for canned oranges. Meat depends on his mood but he'll usually eat small quantities. He likes bread and pasta which isn't exactly a solid diet.

The younger is even pickier yet. He will not eat any vegetables at all except baby food sweet potatoes and squash. I always give him a small amount and he simply won't touch them. He does love fruit, though, so I load him up on that as much as I can. He'll eat lunch meat but no regular meat except for chicken nuggets. He eats some bread and pasta but it depends on his mood.

Not much to go on. Sad

Michelle

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Re: Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution, and are school meals really that bad?

You may find this link interesting... or not. This is where my kids go to school. They have a fairly decent nutrition program. No, it's not ideal but it's a lot better it was where I went to school on-the-edge-of-nowhere, PA in the 70's.

- NP -

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Re: Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution, and are school meals really that bad?

That's interesting. There's obviously a big effort made for nutrition which is good. The kids get vegetables and fruit too - definitely better than when I was at school. But still lots of processed stuff. Pizza, chicken nuggets, hot dogs, twisted turkey, hamburger, cheeseburger...

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Re: Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution, and are school meals really that bad?

Agreed there is more emphasis on nutrition. The interesting thing to note that I failed to in my above post is that... When I have gone to school to have lunch with my kids I noticed that they don't actually cook much in the cafeteria. Almost everything is frozen and prepackaged.I'm not a nutritionist and I can't say from empirical knowledge that there is not nutritional difference between process versus foods if the nutrition is there. My gut tells me that having all the qualities of a food item present in it's rarest form is better than something that has been processed. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy that my kids school district at least pays attention to this kind of thing. I just wonder where the breaking point is where the cost/benefit starts to hurt.

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Re: Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution, and are school meals really that bad?

That's a good point.

The Jamie Oliver TV programme in the UK focused on what you're talking about: the fact that almost nothing was cooked in the kitchens. The staff didn't even know how to cook most of the time. Processed food usually has more salt and sugar. Beyond that, I don't know about the nutritional differences, but instinctively I'd take the freshly cooked food over the pre-packaged. You have more control over quality too if you're cooking the food in your own kitchens.

The other thing I noticed on your county site was the low-fat stuff in the vending machines in an attempt to try and give healthy snacks. Low fat muffins, low fat chips, etc. Seems like the wrong message for kids. We should be teaching them how to eat healthily and in moderation, rather than saying eat junk so long as it's been processed to be low fat. Also low-fat doesn't mean low sugar or salt.

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Re: Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution, and are school meals really that bad?

Yeah, you definitely need to watch the sugar in low fat items. They often have more calories.

A lot of the vending machines here (not necessarily in schools; just in general) are color coded with green being for snacks that are healthier choices. This is with Gunderson Lutheran's 500 Club program so I don't know how widespread that is.

Michelle

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