Is a college degree worth it?

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Michelle's picture
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Is a college degree worth it?

DON'T GET THAT COLLEGE DEGREE!

The four-year college degree has come to cost too much and prove too little. It's now a bad deal for the average student, family, employer, professor and taxpayer.

It's an interesting article and something I've thought about before. Though there's a number of folks in the comments that slam the economics of the article, there's definitely a ring of truth to it.

For me, personally, college wasn't worth it. Only the piece of paper at the end which opens up doors to jobs is of any value and even that is questionable. In the Drupal world, a degree isn't terribly important. I spent 6 years in college to get a BS in computer science. And in that time, I didn't learn anything of use in my field. I could have been spending that 6 years getting real world experience and getting paid for it. Instead, I came away with a huge debt to repay.

There's the argument that you don't learn job skills in college but rather "learn how to learn" and that may be true for some folks. Me, I've always loved learning. But I need to have a purpose. It either needs to be something that interests me or provide some gain such as learning for a job. Or, preferably, both. Wink College didn't do anything for me there, either, except to reinforce how much I hate busywork and learning things that don't benefit me.

What about you? Did you go to college? Did you think it was worthwhile? If you knew you could get the same job without a degree, would you have bothered?

Michelle

This is the time to remember, cause it will not last forever. These are the days to hold on to, but we won't although we'll want to. -- Billy Joel

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Well, I never finished my

Well, I never finished my degree. After I moved here and found out I can't get a masters in Psychology unless I move, I decided to not continue my degree. I would not do anything besides what I'm doing with a Bachlors in Psych anyway, so why bother. Then I thought of getting a teaching degree, but again... I wouldn't make a good teacher in a school, so I would continue running my daycare, so why bother. So now I'm not going at all. However, I would not consider that I've thrown away money, cause I have gained a tremendous amount of understanding in the human nature that I wouldn't have otherwise and I have met some great people and read some great books. So yeah...

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I love to learn. I got a

I love to learn.
I got a degree in Electronics which I promptly didn't really use. It HAS been useful, but in general, not specific to life.
I find that employers frequently do not care WHAT you have a degree in, as long as you have one. It is like a benchmark or indicator of how you will perform to them.

I know another guy that got a degree. He has not found the degree beneficial (criminal justice) and would love to trade back his diploma for the cash he spent.

My opinion is that although the degree costs to much, it IS beneficial. It would be great if you could just go take a test on all the relevant subject(s) and get a degree for a small fee. It is getting rather expensive.

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Re: Is a college degree worth it?

I believe education is worth it and a college education is worth it, but maybe not when you're 18 years old. I returned to college when I was 50 and I learned so much that I wish I had learned before. I don't think the my young classmates always benefited as much as I did. For them it was just more of the same, and I doubt that it sunk in any more than it did for me 30 years earlier. I guess I'm an advocate of life-long-learning and wish that classes were made available and made affordable for everyone.

I think more could be done with on-line classrooms to offer that basic liberal educational knowledge to all for free... minus the social interaction and indoctrination. I guess I can't see how such a program would need to be as expensive as on-line classes are. Instead of the government trying to force five-year-old's into kindergarten, I think money would be better spent offering free continuing education, on-line, to every adult that is interested in a subject and rewarding those that complete that education with certificates and diplomas.

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Re: Is a college degree worth it?

I love to learn and there's classes out there that are very inexpensive or free (for the purchase of the book) that I take... Barnes and Noble is one of them offering stuff and Virtual University is another. However, a lot of that you can also learn by just going on the internet and taking it all in... I like guided learning however, cause you can have discussions (like here) and learn from that too.

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Re: Is a college degree worth it?

I love to learn as well. But there's a difference between learning something that you're interested in and being told you need to learn X, Y, and Z to get a piece of paper. I went to school for computer science and love computers. I would have been happy learning all sorts of stuff and, in fact, bought books on my own and taught myself web programming and other things that interested me. What didn't interest me was stuff like having to learn a fake assembler language that had no real world application. Learning artificially put together stuff that had no bearing on what I would actually be doing with computers drove me batty. Not to mention the things you have to learn in the name of a well rounded education, like slicing up frogs. Yuck!

Many schools offer auditing of classes at a much reduced rate if you don't need the credits. You can also get them even cheaper using the senior citizen rate. And they must put the age for that pretty low because I know someone who took classes using that and he's not what I'd normally consider a senior citizen. Smile

Michelle

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Re: Is a college degree worth it?

I think the senior age for colleges is at 55.

Michelle's picture
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Re: Is a college degree worth it?

Ah, that would make more sense. I can see him being in his 50s but definitely not late 60s.

Michelle

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Re: Is a college degree worth it?

I went to college for 3 years right out of high school and earned a little more than a years worth of credits. I worked for 3 years in the printing industry and wasn't taken seriously. Tired of making too little and coming home covered in grease and ink I went back to school. It took 2 more years to get 3 years worth of credits and I came away with a computer science degree.

The degree definitely helped me get started in the industry. I enjoyed my times at school very much. The first time was just socializing the second strictly study but I liked them both.

My Mom taught at the State University I attended so my costs were extremely low, just books and fees.

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Re: Is a college degree worth it?

Lucky Duck!!!

Michelle's picture
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Re: Is a college degree worth it?

Bumping an old post because there's an interesting new article on it:

Learning by Degrees

Michelle

This is the time to remember, cause it will not last forever. These are the days to hold on to, but we won't although we'll want to. -- Billy Joel

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Re: Is a college degree worth it?

I'm with Mel on this. As a homeschool mom...I'M the one really doing the learning. I know all this "stuff" was taught to me in school, but it meant diddly. As an adult, it makes way more sense PLUS, I'm interested! No, this isn't college material, but it's still the same principle. I think we push education on children WAY too early and it's just not that important. I think it's more important for them to just play and have fun and enjoy being a kid. Something they can NEVER get back....but the opportunity to learn something...they have that their whole lives.

Formerly known as: Mandymom

Mandy - Loving my hubby and our three kiddos, plus warming a bun in the oven

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Re: Is a college degree worth it?

Benji is so eager to go to school I can't wait till he can go. My other kids in school mostly hate school, but my oldest liked school too. I guess it depends on the kid.

Wonder how many people I would've killed by now, if I had telekinetic powers?

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Re: Is a college degree worth it?

My older son loves school, too. He's just going into Kindergarten, though, so hasn't hit the real hard stuff, yet.

Michelle

This is the time to remember, cause it will not last forever. These are the days to hold on to, but we won't although we'll want to. -- Billy Joel

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Re: Is a college degree worth it?

I always loved school and still do to a point. Even though I was not very popular in school, I loved learning, so I loved school.

Wonder how many people I would've killed by now, if I had telekinetic powers?

Akela's picture
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Re: Is a college degree worth it?

Let me join in on the discussion:)

My degree is in psychology. I am a web publisher. Well... The degree was useful. University develops one's mind like nothing else. However, looking at all of those student loan payments due... I probably would not have gotten that degree if I was to go back in time.

I hate feeling like this:(

Edit: I forgot one plus point of my degree: self-respect. I definitely think more of myself now that I have finished that long-suffering process.

Michelle's picture
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Re: Is a college degree worth it?

A degree in psychology could come in use with running a community, so maybe not a total waste. Smile What made you decide to go into web work instead?

Michelle

This is the time to remember, cause it will not last forever. These are the days to hold on to, but we won't although we'll want to. -- Billy Joel

Akela's picture
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Re: Is a college degree worth it?

It just kind of sucked me in... I started one website to see how this worked online and for the sake of a challenge. That page split off into a couple of others. Those ones too.

The web is just so much more fascinating than any other job I could imagine for myself. If I wish flexibility - it is there. If I wish to put more effort in - I can see results very soon. I can decide on the topic I wish or do not wish to work on.

Of course, if I wish to make money, most of the above flexibility becomes a nominal entity. But the option is still there Smile

And, most of all, I do not have to depend on one particular person with whether or not I move ahead.

*dance*

Michelle's picture
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Re: Is a college degree worth it?

Web work does have a powerful allure, that's for sure. At my last job before becoming a SAHM we were starting to dabble in web work a bit but I was stuck in a total desktop project that I had been working on most of the time I'd been employed there. I hated watching the people around me doing cool web stuff and I only got to do a little bit now and then. When I get a job again after the kids are in school, it's going to be totally web work. Smile

Michelle

This is the time to remember, cause it will not last forever. These are the days to hold on to, but we won't although we'll want to. -- Billy Joel

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Re: Is a college degree worth it?

Glad to hear this Smile

The fact that you develop Advanced Forum has to be a hell of a reference for any future employer.

Michelle's picture
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Re: Is a college degree worth it?

I'm hoping so. Smile That's one thing that keeps me going on this site when it gets slow and I wonder if anyone cares... If nothing else, it makes one heck of a Drupal portfolio to future employers. Big smile

Advanced Forum, Advanced Profile Kit, and Author Pane were all born here. Plus a bunch of tutorials with a lot more planned. Building this site has been a wonderful Drupal education. Smile

Michelle

This is the time to remember, cause it will not last forever. These are the days to hold on to, but we won't although we'll want to. -- Billy Joel

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Re: Is a college degree worth it?
Michelle wrote:

Advanced Forum, Advanced Profile Kit, and Author Pane were all born here.

I knew that you made them, but not that you made them for this forum specifically. I guess, this is how most of modules are born - to fill a specific need on a specific website, which then is made available to the public.

Offtopic: Is my title supposed to be set as "Chipmunk Creek" or can I change it somewhere in my profile?

Michelle's picture
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Re: Is a college degree worth it?

Yeah, they all started out here and then I extracted the code out of the site and put it together in a more general module. Most modules are done either for a specific site or for a client and contributed back.

The titles are controlled by the number of posts you have made. It starts out at creeks and goes up to lakes and the Mississippi. Smile

Michelle

This is the time to remember, cause it will not last forever. These are the days to hold on to, but we won't although we'll want to. -- Billy Joel

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